Sci Poison - OP or Not?

or 11 dmg 1st second, 9 2nd, then 7, 5, 3, and then 1, or something similar to that, so over time you take less damage every second. maybe 11 for 1st 2 seconds, then 2 less per second. that would be 47 damage. Not sure what exact numbers would be used, but something like that.

Or maybe the damage stay constant on 20 during the normal time and can change or erase the turret all u like ^^

First dont change nothing, but if all like change something change or the poison or the turret, but both NO!

Originally Posted by FireWraith

or 11 dmg 1st second, 9 2nd, then 7, 5, 3, and then 1, or something similar to that, so over time you take less damage every second. maybe 11 for 1st 2 seconds, then 2 less per second. that would be 47 damage. Not sure what exact numbers would be used, but something like that.

see, i like this. maybe you garner an "immunity" to poison over time, like the devs said....
"Due to the rampant use of poisons the System Lords have developed a resistance" - Gabriel_FS, Patch Notes 1.1.2.1

I think maybe the Goa'uld should take less damage from it if they have a shield up.

This is the only thing that stinks in a class based game. The nerfing of classes.

Things in the game are pretty balanced if you ask me. Even the class that can make themselves invisible for the most part.

Heal needs to cure poison no but but waa i play sci crap plz..

Annoying as **** having to self heal before 30pecent life just to survive 1 poison attack. Especially if the sci is already dead.

Playing as a sci also there is now way u can go toe to toe with Sl just using pistol. Hence the " cowardly " hit and run technique. Whats pitiful is the ones that dont follow up with pistol. Unless of course its a goauld.

So either make heal cure it or reduce the tick dmg.

Edit: Judging by the poll it might need to be reworded. Like should it be tweaked or leave as is.

Most of the time im an Ash'Rak i dont believe its OP at all so i voted for Not Op, Heres my reasoning.

Poison ON ITS OWN is not OP combined with things such as the turret and things, then you may start to say they are (but imo the turret kills you before the poison clicks twice anyway).

Poison wont kill you at full health so you can easily be healed if there is a healer present, the only thing Poison does too me is annoy the crap out of me especially if a random poison cloud gets dropped at the best time and then the sci craps his pants that someone just spawned in his gas giant, also it annoys me when ur running around looking for a healer and have half a bar then run around a corner and a sci sprays you with greeness pleasure and you die before you even catch a glimpse of whats going on.

So i wouldnt say Poison is OP on its own, i can see how it would be OP combining it with things but Poison on its own is not OP, just annoying.

I personally think the only thing that needs to be changed with the Poison is the time between spraying.

Quite often I will be chasing down a sci trying to kill them after getting poisoned, but because there are only about 10 to 15s between sprays, I cop another hit before they die. As an Ashrak, two hits of the poison is almost death unless there are bonus hp.

whats the worst thing ever is that it takes atleast 1 second for goa'uld heals to kick in, while poison begins the second it hits! So many times I'll find myself or someone at low health and I start healing them, but somehow the poison kills them before the heals even begin. Plus poison does 11 damage, self heals only do 6? You have to stand still anyways and risk getting shot, could atleast make it stronger.

i think that after 2 rounds of healing (not sure what to call every time your health goes up w/ a heal) the poison should be cured. A goa'uld would have to judge whether its worth it to stand still and heal themselves, or if they should keep on moving, and risk dying. Just seems to make sense

Originally Posted by CaptainKirk

whats the worst thing ever is that it takes atleast 1 second for goa'uld heals to kick in, while poison begins the second it hits! So many times I'll find myself or someone at low health and I start healing them, but somehow the poison kills them before the heals even begin. Plus poison does 11 damage, self heals only do 6? You have to stand still anyways and risk getting shot, could atleast make it stronger.

This.

SL get wroughted in the healing dept and poison just rubs it in.

I would be fine with 1s healing to cure it. Also as sgc soldier it obscures our vision which is just stupid.

I think the main issue is it is the only aoe ingame that does full dmg to all targets. Better than nade and blast in that respect which is why its OP.

Originally Posted by Daniel_Jackson_

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i like this idea. maybe full damage the first death, then reduces 25% each death until you're immune. and getting healed should stop the effects immediately.

Originally Posted by Weapon X

Playing as a sci also there is now way u can go toe to toe with Sl just using pistol. Hence the " cowardly " hit and run technique

that's why i said the scientists should have a more powerful projectile weapon. in addition to all the gadgets, carter always had her trusty p90.

I wouldnt give sci a p90 at this point. Anyway carter was more soldier in combat than anything. Now Mckay on the other hand...

If we're basing theis off mckay shouldn't the gun do damage to himself?

IMO if they gave SL's a aoe heal, and a turret, and increase the time between the poison spray would make the game better. Either that or give scientists a certain number of times that they can spray the poison. Kind of like commando's have 2 clay mores. Give the scientists 2 sprays per life or something.

Originally Posted by CaptainKirk

whats the worst thing ever is that it takes atleast 1 second for goa'uld heals to kick in, while poison begins the second it hits! So many times I'll find myself or someone at low health and I start healing them, but somehow the poison kills them before the heals even begin. Plus poison does 11 damage, self heals only do 6? You have to stand still anyways and risk getting shot, could atleast make it stronger.

But the Goulds attack is just as instant as a Scis poison. Comparing a heal to an attack isn't the issue. Now what you can say is Scis have the healing gun as well as the canister, so maybe give the gould a means of stationary healing. The Hand device does more damage than the poison, and the poison is stationary. The only thing is the DoT. The hand device you can chase down the person and keep it active while doing damage.

lol

Really? Hand device is far far from instant dmg..

**** in the time it takes for a sci to sprint up, poison and run away it wont even lock on.

Actually the goauld are bugged... if u kill someone and stay with atack activated can make instant kill to other players....

@SGC:Morris - ehhh... not quite. i've been frying guys (and been fried) for like 3 seconds with NO damage before it finally kicks in. hand device does do more damage (15 dph vs 11 dps) but you also HAVE to chase em and avoid getting shot to keep doing damage, while poison does 1 spray and a GUARANTEED 77 damage no matter what.

in other news... giant space monkeys attacked Mars today, story at ten

back on topic... heal vs heal the Goa'uld wins (15 hp/s vs 10 hp/s, and the Maaynd gem heal has more range as well), so if a sci poisons a SL player, the Goa'uld can keep em alive and in fact heal em 4 hp/s (providing they don't get shot). however, SELF heal vs SELF heal, Scientist wins because of the dispenser. i'm attempting to confirm it's healing capacity, but for now we'll call it 10 hp/s (but there's constant healing so it's more like 1 hp/.1s) while the Goa'uld only heals himself 6 hp/s (once every second) and has to stand still to do it. but i agree X, poison being OP isn't quite right to say, more that it just needs a couple of tweaks to even it out.

first one being: there really needs to be some way to counteract poison... i mean REALLY guys, it's the only weapon in the game that keeps doing (unavoidable) damage after 1 hit! it's been suggested that the Goa'uld heal cancels it....

Originally Posted by blevok

and getting healed should stop the effects immediately.

Originally Posted by Weapon X

I would be fine with 1s healing to cure it.

Originally Posted by FireWraith

i think that after 2 rounds of healing (not sure what to call every time your health goes up w/ a heal) the poison should be cured.

but i think that would make it WAYYYY to underpowered... think about it, sci sprints in, poisons 5 SL members (just 1 of whom is a Goa'uld), and within 4 seconds none of em are taking damage anymore. so there needs to be a way to fix it, but 1 second of healing should NOT be it. maybe 3 secs of healing?

another possible tweak could be that the damage is cut in half, but the time is doubled (same amt of DOT, just slower). maybe 5 dps over 15 secs? or even just switch time & damage out, 7 dps for 11 secs. this way, people actually have a chance to run before 1/2 their life vanishes, and it wouldn't be as critical to get heals RIGHT then, but it still hurts. and that way, the Goa'uld self heal would actually HELP!!! instead of healing for 6 hp/s and taking 11 dps (grand total of -5 hp/s), it would be healing 6 hp/s and taking 5 dps (net total of +1 hp/s!!! :O) or even 6 hp/s vs 7 dps (-1 hp/s). i know this would make a BIG difference in survivability, without totally nerfing a sci's offensive capability. (think about it... Goa'uld has to sit still for ELEVEN SECONDS (or 15, w/e) to make sure he doesn't die!!!! that's PLENTY of time for the sci (or soldier) to track him down and end it) also, there would be a lot less kill stealing by poison, so that's another positive!

of course... if poison lasts 11 seconds, the recharge time for it would need to increase wouldn't it... hmm. although, as long as poison doesn't stack... scenario: sci poisons Goa'uld, he heals for 7 seconds, then has to run for it (sci came back) but the sci's poison recharged already, so he poofs it out... but guess what! the Goa'uld is still infected! muahahhahah, no extra damage!

..... IDK... maybe. i think it's a step in the right direction, but it needs to be umm... perfected? refined? yeah, refined.

PHEW. finally finished... really sorry about the length guys, had a LOT of thoughs. /essay

Goauld healing and curin 4 SL is no diff than 1 heal canister doing the same to a group of SGC.

Point is heal is unbalanced, range doesnt matter at all.

Although i do like the longer , lower poison dps.

Only problem I have with longer damage period while maintaining the DOT, is your vision is impaired for the duration of the infection. Not only that, but as an Ashrak you cant cloak until the infection has warn off.

ooch... good point. like i said, it needs refining. any thoughts about how to improve it?

Get rid of it?

Nah can't do that. The sci would die much more often without it.

I think increasing the time between recharges is probably the only thing that can be done? This then allows the SL to go in after getting poisoned without fear of another infection from the same sci.

A skilled sci will run up to an Ashrak, drop the poison then run backwards so the Ashrak can't backstab. Since the sci has 200hp (god knows why they have 200hp while a Goa'uld that has the strength of a Goa'uld Symbiote has 175hp, but thats a topic for another debate), 5 frontal stabs are required to kill the sci, 6 if the SGC has the bonus hp.

Not sure what the current recharge time is, but can almost guarantee a reinfection before the sci dies.

Replace poison with Seth Bliss so we can all chill and stop killing each other for a moment..

who? wait lemme google it

Seth Bliss 2004 graduate of South Lyon High School in South lyon, MI is on Classmates.com.

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