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Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

Are you sure they didn't abandon Ida, as I seem to remember Thor saying they had, and that the Asgard Fleet was awaiting confirmation in the Void between Galaxies, that it was safe to approach there new home world in the Milky Way (Orilla).

i thought that Orilla was in Ida, i could be mistaken, but i thought it was.

are you talking about the episode where the asgard need SG1 to go figure out what happened to the time dilation device?

anyway yeah i could be wrong but i thought orilla was in ida.

Originally Posted by ColYoung

i thought that Orilla was in Ida, i could be mistaken, but i thought it was.

are you talking about the episode where the asgard need SG1 to go figure out what happened to the time dilation device?

anyway yeah i could be wrong but i thought orilla was in ida.

Hala was the planet with the time dialation device

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

Are you sure they didn't abandon Ida, as I seem to remember Thor saying they had, and that the Asgard Fleet was awaiting confirmation in the Void between Galaxies, that it was safe to approach there new home world in the Milky Way (the one they blew up ...)

They destroyed their homeworld of Othalla in order to trap the Replicators inside the Time Dilation field (SG-1 6x12 Unnatural Selection) and moved to Orilla, their new homeworld. The Replicators attacked Orilla (SG-1 8x01 and 8x02 New Order Parts 1 and 2) but were driven off by the Replicator Disruptors and invaded the Milky Way (SG-1 8x11 Gemini and SG-1 8x16+17 Reckoning). Orilla is still in the Ida Galaxy and this is the planet that was destroyed in SG-1 10x20 when the Asgard suicided (that's why the trip was so long as shown at the start of the episode).

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

Hala was the planet with the time dialation device

lol i need to rewatch a few episodes of SG1 apparently. thank the good lord for DVR!

Originally Posted by ColYoung

lol i need to rewatch a few episodes of SG1 apparently. thank the good lord for DVR!

I think we all do lol, Scott Hala and othala are two different planets look it up on google (I did) Hala was the one where they implanted the device. But yes I believe Orilla was in Ida (Google). So ... they failed to contain them in Ida, then used an ancient weapon in the Milky Way ... how can they be sure they got them all when there is an entire Galaxy (later named Othalla) that was missed ...

If the Asgard new of the Stargate network, so did the Replicators, if the Asgard knew there was another Galaxy out there with Stargates, so did the replicators, if they knew of more than one Galaxy out there (Pegasus) then so did the Replicators, I find it very hard to believe that they wouldn't spread and only stay in one basket ... after all isn't that what they do, spread replicate and grow?

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

P.S. No signal could carry across the entire Universe, do you realise how vast it is and it is still expanding!!!!! The only signal to carry a great distance is white noise produced by Galaxies, and even that wouldn't travel all the way to the other side of the Universe before breaking up ... and lets say they did manage to send a signal through out the Universe, how would the Replicators get there ... I am a Ship right on the other side of the Universe hmmmm say a few quadrillion years away probably more? I think its a bit of a plot hole really, and I do believe the Replicators survived, they could be anywhere a Stargate is.

I also find it hard to believe every single Asgard would just commit suicide, we are all individuals, there will have been a few which broke away from them before they Suicided. After all I think most people would want to live as long as they could, dying race or not....

To address your edit:

They didn't send a signal across the whole Universe. That would be stupid. The Replicators would not have been capable of reaching the 'end of the universe' so it is patently unnecessary to send message across the whole Universe. However we can clearly see instantaneous communication across Galaxies in Stargate, SG-1 2x06 Thor's Chariot, the opening 3 episodes of Season 9 and almost every episode of SGU. They could easilly have transmitted a signal far enough to reach every extant Replicator using the technology available on the show.

Real Physics = no. Stargate Physics = yes.

As for them all suiciding:

1) they are likely to be a vastly more unified species than we are as they have not performed sexual reproduction in longer than our recorded history - they likely all know each other better than parents know their children and have outlived everyone who disagreed with them. The dissenting factions will all have left or assimilated long before this - just like the Lost Tribe left for Pegasus. Loki was likely a hold out, or left an iteration behind and sent one with the Lost Tribe.

2) they were all dying of a crippling condition they had known about for Centuries so this was probably in the cards for decades (long enough to win everyone around), the only thing keeping them going was the war with the Replicators and their final attempts to find a cure.

3) Any who did survive (and there could have been some lost long before the decision to suicide came about, think SG-1 6x03 Descent with Thor inside the Hatak computer) would be single individuals who would soon run out of viable new clone bodies and die anyway, unless they come across their own cure like the Lost Tribe did - and they would have exploded back onto the Intergalactic scene.

4) They are not dead, they just don't have bodies. Their consciousnesses are all stored in the Asgard Core on the Odyssey and can be revived if a cure to their cloning problem comes about. It would have been nice if the show explicitly stated that the war with the Replicators had made the Asgard reject artificial bodies (they could have made Human Form Replicator bodies shaped like Asgard for themselves for example) to explain why none chose that option. By choosing to discard their latest clone body (which they have likely done millions of times before in their exceptionally long lives) and be uploaded into the Core they can be downloaded again at some point in the future.

They still survive, they're just not extant.

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

I think we all do lol, Scott Hala and othala are two different planets look it up on google (I did) Hala was the one where they implanted the device. But yes I believe Orilla was in Ida (Google). So ... they failed to contain them in Ida, then used an ancient weapon in the Milky Way ... how can they be sure they got them all when there is an entire Galaxy (later named Othalla) that was missed ...

If the Asgard new of the Stargate network, so did the Replicators, if the Asgard knew there was another Galaxy out there with Stargates, so did the replicators, if they knew of more than one Galaxy out there (Pegasus) then so did the Replicators, I find it very hard to believe that they wouldn't spread and only stay in one basket ... after all isn't that what they do, spread replicate and grow?

Yes: the device was on Halla, the Asgard moved to Orilla. Both planets were in the same Galaxy. It took the Odyssey weeks to get from Earth to Orilla in SG-1 10x20 Unending.

The Asgard didn't use the Dakara Super Weapon, that was the SGC (Carter), the Tok'ra (Selmak and Jacob) and the System Lords (Ba'al). The Asgard developed the Replicator Disruptor from knowledge O'Neill got from the Repository of Ancient Knowledge. Sam adapted that tech to the Ancient Super Weapon.

We know they went to other Galaxies, we met them in the intergalactic void in SG-1 5x01 Enemies.

Regardless, if you can communicate instantaneously between Earth and the Destiny then you can instantaneously communicate across a sufficient distance to attract all Replicators.

They were pretty clear in the show that they were all gone... at least until we brought some back in The Ark Of Truth. That's the best way to bring them back, rather than a "woops, we missed some" retcon.

Originally Posted by Scott Morrison

Yes: the device was on Halla, the Asgard moved to Orilla. Both planets were in the same Galaxy. It took the Odyssey weeks to get from Earth to Orilla in SG-1 10x20 Unending.

The Asgard didn't use the Dakara Super Weapon, that was the SGC (Carter), the Tok'ra (Selmak and Jacob) and the System Lords (Ba'al). The Asgard developed the Replicator Disruptor from knowledge O'Neill got from the Repository of Ancient Knowledge. Sam adapted that tech to the Ancient Super Weapon.

We know they went to other Galaxies, we met them in the intergalactic void in SG-1 5x01 Enemies.

Regardless, if you can communicate instantaneously between Earth and the Destiny then you can instantaneously communicate across a sufficient distance to attract all Replicators.

They were pretty clear in the show that they were all gone... at least until we brought some back in The Ark Of Truth. That's the best way to bring them back, rather than a "woops, we missed some" retcon.

The only thing to put a wrench in the whole mess is the Asgards had the code from the Droid, and they were just as smart as the Anchients, they could of created a weapon based on the dakara weapon to take care of the replicators that were still in the Ida Galaxy

Originally Posted by Maddog

The only thing to put a wrench in the whole mess is the Asgards had the code from the Droid, and they were just as smart as the Anchients, they could of created a weapon based on the dakara weapon to take care of the replicators that were still in the Ida Galaxy

I don't know that the Ancients thought of it either. Remember that they bombarded the Asuran homeworld rather than using a Disruptor on it and that is how some of the nanites survived and rebuilt.

The implication I took from the show was that Reese was a continuation of the research that led to the Asurans, by an Ancient that survived the Wraith war in Pegasus or someone continuing their work, and they could not defeat the bug Replicator form either. O'Neill then used the knowledge in the Repository Of Ancient Knowledge to create a weapon rather than finding one already in there. It doesn't fit perfectly but the Asurans were a retcon so there are bound to be rough edges (and Stargate often has vague timescales to muddy the picture).

The replicators were the second most advanced race in Stargate second only to the Ancients, they would have pursued Ancient technology where ever it might lie, they would have spread to other Galaxies. There is no definite proof they have all died out, unless they phisically scanned every cm of space simultaneously .... I don't believe they did, and until the show says they did do that, there are a million and one ways they could have lived on, even in the Milky Way, (my proof is there lust for Technology, the Ancients being the most advanced race, they would undoubtedly explore where ever there is a stargate, proof=nature of the replicators).

As for the Asgard, the fact that Loki existed disproves your point entirely he is a paradox to your argument. He would not have wanted to die, infact so much so he disobeyed the High Council and I am sure there are others. So again until the show states that Loki and his rag tag followers did not infact leave before the mass suicide, again this is possible and there is no way to disprove ... my proof however that this is possible is that Loki existed.

P.S. I love this debate, I never get to talk about Stargate to anyone!!! lol

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

The replicators were the second most advanced race in Stargate second only to the Ancients, they would have pursued Ancient technology where ever it might lie, they would have spread to other Galaxies. There is no definite proof they have all died out, unless they phisically scanned every cm of space simultaneously .... I don't believe they did, and until the show says they did do that, there are a million and one ways they could have lived on, even in the Milky Way, (my proof is there lust for Technology, the Ancients being the most advanced race, they would undoubtedly explore where ever there is a stargate, proof=nature of the replicators).

As for the Asgard, the fact that Loki existed disproves your point entirely he is a paradox to your argument. He would not have wanted to die, infact so much so he disobeyed the High Council and I am sure there are others. So again until the show states that Loki and his rag tag followers did not infact leave before the mass suicide, again this is possible and there is no way to disprove ... my proof however that this is possible is that Loki existed.

P.S. I love this debate, I never get to talk about Stargate to anyone!!! lol

They're not dead. They're in the Core. They wouldn't perceive it the way you do. Flesh was just a vessel for them, they were frequently stored in their ship computers until they could download into a new body - now they are in the Core.

It seems unlikely that the Replicators would have left the Milky Way originally if they were going after Ancient knowledge, or not have gone straight for Pegasus. There was a lot of retcon involved in the Replicator storyline though, the introduction of Reece and the introduction of the Asurans are the big ones that keep the jigsaw puzzle from fitting together as well as they should.



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Ok I will rephrase, Loki would not download himself into the Core, he would take an active interest in the Gentic problems of the Asgard, and to do that he needs a body for as long as it lasts (or maybe a human one) he would not sit and wait for another species/government to possibly help, he would try to help himself as evidencened in Fragile Balence, and where there was one there would have been others, (Pegasus Galaxy).

As for the Replicators we know that they are capable of Intergalactic travel, they would have explored where ever the Ancients roamed, in search of there technology. That is there primary purpose after all, to grow, expand and replicate. Why all of a sudden would they stop this? I believe that there is no certainty behind there destruction, when it was stated that they had all been wiped out, how can they prove it? Did they physically check? No question the weapon worked in the immediate vicinnity, but after that ... well who knows ....

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

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Ok I will rephrase, Loki would not download himself into the Core, he would take an active interest in the Gentic problems of the Asgard, and to do that he needs a body for as long as it lasts (or maybe a human one) he would not sit and wait for another species/government to possibly help, he would try to help himself as evidencened in Fragile Balence, and where there was one there would have been others.

As for the Replicators we know that they are capable of Intergalactic travel, they would have explored where ever the Ancients roamed, in search of there technology. That is there primary purpose after all, to grow, expand and replicate. Why all of a sudden would they stop this? I believe that there is no certainty behind there destruction, when it was stated that they had all been wiped out, how can they prove it? Did they physically check? No question the weapon worked in the immediate vicinnity, but after that ... well who knows ....

For Loki: if I was Thor and wanted him in the Core I would just let him die his next death (or shoot him to speed things up) and then not give him another body. They seemed to have reached a consensus in Unending though.

Bearing in mind that I have already said that the retcons caused this disparity, if the Replicators had wanted Ancient Technology they would not have left a Galaxy with lots of it (the Milky Way) to go to a Galaxy with very little (Ida). They also would not have allowed Fifths vengeance to take them to the Milky Way if their only goals were to grow, expand and replicate - and Repli-Carter could have led them to Pegasus and Atlantis rather than going for Daniel.

Besides, the Replicators didn't consume the Stargate on the world where Reese originally made them, perhaps the Asgard encountered them only a short time after that and became the number one target.

As for finding them we know the Replicators had to physically board a ship to disable the sensors and that sensors capable of detecting small things across a Galaxy exist (at least in Stargate Atlantis) so the Asgard may well have turned the sensors on, waited for surviving Replicators to follow their imperative to increase their numbers and then shown up to wipe them out from orbit when there was enough to be detected.

Skipping this long arguement and going back to another earlier post. I wouldn't ever see replicators being a playable class. Its just confusing to think about lol. But in a single player mode I could see them being brought back via some crazy scientist who got his hands in the wrong thing lol.

Originally Posted by zainea13

Skipping this long arguement and going back to another earlier post. I wouldn't ever see replicators being a playable class. Its just confusing to think about lol. But in a single player mode I could see them being brought back via some crazy scientist who got his hands in the wrong thing lol.

Back on topic, I agree with you there Zainea13.

I think as a playable class, the Replicators would be quite confusing both for the player and the devs to make.

Why?

Player: Confusing and eventually boring?
The Replicators are predicatable in their tactics - Replicate, attack, consume all energy based technology into their own, Replicate some more. Operating a mass of bug Replicators could prove difficult when controlling many. That leads me to think they'd be better suited as an NPC in a single player mode.

Devs: Making a swarm or even a single Replicator with included intricate animation for leg movements and interaction to environment, I thinks this would be quite the task to pull off.
Or at least a lot of time. money and effort to produce.

That's not to say that we should not have a playable Replicator class, and this is where I bring continuity into the game.
As a third person shooter instead of an RPG many people have already stated they just want to play the game, not drag on with plotlines and such.
And I agree, but I do believe the game (which it already has) need to set up the mythology of the Stargate first, like small storylines for each map visited.

So if we're to anchor Stargate Resistance in a specific timeframe, we could say it's during a new Goaúld threat to the galaxy, that General Carter has assumed command of the SGC, and that inevitable clashes between the new Empire and Earth have resumed since the fall of the Ori.
And that's all we need for a background, the rest is up to the devs imagination.

Perhaps Replicators that waited in the void, consolidated there numbers to return to the Milky Way galaxy, may be lead by a new leader (the human Replicator on board Thor's ship Season 8 Ep1 New Order pt1 was called Eighth in the credits. So we could assume by default that Replicator Carter probably was 9th, can we expect that a Replicator called Tenth has been biding his/her time to "come forth"?

How does continuity relate to Replicators?
We know that the events on Halla, and the invasion of the Milky Way Glaxy brought forth human form replicators. A more advanced and more formidable class of nanite evolution.

So essentially that should be an easy fix for the devs to integrate a potential Replicator class.
And there have been previous posts on how that sort of three tier class system would be integrated with SGR.

Personally while it would be a shame not to see the bug replicators, the issues are varied and multifacted for their most likely hold on the backburner.
But Human form Replicators still gives us Replicators nonetheless.

Bring on hands going inside heads, poison, and Replicator cutlery

You could make the repetitive and boring argument about any of the existing Classes too. I don't think they would be.

I also doubt you would be actively consuming resources and replicating as a goal in SGR, it is a TPS not an MMO after all.

For the character animation, I don't think it would take as much as you are suggesting - particularly if some of the work has been done already in the SGW resources they have (there was definitely concept work of a crab like NPC if not work done on Replicators directly).

If (hopefully when) a Replicator Faction is added it would be after the Atlantis Expansion I imagine, so plenty of time to iron everything out.

If they do introduce a single Human Form Replicator Class rather than a whole Faction then they would likely do it as an Asuran with the Atlantis Expansion.

The suggestions I made for the Replicator Faction were:

Originally Posted by Scott Morrison

My thoughts on what a Replicator Faction Classes should be are:

Bug Replicator.

This could be a single Replicator Bug or a small swarm of Bugs (as in their first scene in Nemesis when they crawl over O’Neill’s chest). The Bug takes on different configurations rather than changing weapons. The basic Bug shape has acid spray (acting like the scientist’s poison) and a melee strike using the forelegs. I imagine it being able to transition to walls briefly (stamina guage). The Mother Bug form heals like a scientists dispenser, healing the Bug Replicator and any others nearby. A cannon/tank form fires blocks for a ranged gun style attack or frag grenade attack (left click for bullet block, right click to launch a fragmenting ball) but is slower and bigger so more vulnerable to damage. Relatively low health compared to other classes but fast moving and with a small collision mesh for taking damage.

Asuran/Human Form Replicator.

The Asuran/Human Form Replicator would have the Ancient hand weapon seen in Atlantis. We never really saw these in action so there’s a lot of scope for this weapon, though I imagine it would be like the zat will be. Sword hands for close in melee attacks that give a wide sweeping area of damage (unlike the Jaffa staff attack which functions more like a hammer blow than the sweeping attack shown in the animation). A close range ‘hand in the head’ attack that would probably function much like a short range version of the Goa’uld hand device ribbon attack. They could also have a stealth ability equivalent to the Ashrak where they take on the skin of an enemy class in order to get close, though I think they would need to keep the colour coding of their name tag to keep this from being OP – you can see the shimmer of an Ashrak after all.

Replicator Infested Human.

The Replicator infested Human would serve the same function as an SGC Soldier to give a flexible ranged attacker and would have similar - but different – weapons. An M16 with an underslung grenade launcher where the Soldier has a P90 and a seperate grenade launcher for example. Alternatively it could be a clone class and take on the weapons of a Soldier or Jaffa (or Wraith Warrior or Ori Warrior in the future) depending on the faction they were facing.

Originally Posted by Scott Morrison

For Loki: if I was Thor and wanted him in the Core I would just let him die his next death (or shoot him to speed things up) and then not give him another body. They seemed to have reached a consensus in Unending though.

Bearing in mind that I have already said that the retcons caused this disparity, if the Replicators had wanted Ancient Technology they would not have left a Galaxy with lots of it (the Milky Way) to go to a Galaxy with very little (Ida). They also would not have allowed Fifths vengeance to take them to the Milky Way if their only goals were to grow, expand and replicate - and Repli-Carter could have led them to Pegasus and Atlantis rather than going for Daniel.

Besides, the Replicators didn't consume the Stargate on the world where Reese originally made them, perhaps the Asgard encountered them only a short time after that and became the number one target.

As for finding them we know the Replicators had to physically board a ship to disable the sensors and that sensors capable of detecting small things across a Galaxy exist (at least in Stargate Atlantis) so the Asgard may well have turned the sensors on, waited for surviving Replicators to follow their imperative to increase their numbers and then shown up to wipe them out from orbit when there was enough to be detected.

If the Asgard protected planets all the way from another Galaxy, then I do not believe Thor would force death upon Loki and the others, he would let them go free, they are a benevolent race after all. Loki exists with many others, you can not disprove this, but I have proved it (look at his actions).

End of on that one

As for the Replicators, you can not argue against there nature I am afraid. There primary purpose was to always grow, expand and replicate, not to mention seek out more advanced technology. They would have spread beyond the Asgard's ability to contain.

Again End of as you can not argue against there nature, and until the show states we physically checked the entire Galaxy/Universe ....

Good debate though, in conclusion, some Asgard still exist, if they do not it would be an error in writing. As for the Replicators, there is no definate proof either way, so my theory could be correct.

Thank you for debate, I love discussing Stargate

Does anyone here play Stargate EAW?

I’ve got to say you have a strange definition of proof. You have provided less evidence than I have. The degenerative disease killing Loki would preclude his just running off – he would be dead by now (not running around free) and with no hope of resurrection if he chose not to go into the Core. Besides, we know for certain some Asgard survived: the Lost Tribe that branched off tens of thousands of years ago in Pegasus and experimented on Humans to make an unethical cure.

As for the Replicators, it took one year of unchallenged replication to go from a single surviving ship to a force capable of overrunning the Milky Way Galaxy. A further five years have passed and... nothing. And the Dakara Superweapon is gone.

As you say either interpretation could be correct. I agree to let the topic lie.


I do not play Stargate - Empire at War, is it any good? It looks good from what little I've seen but I'm always wary of mods.


As Zaineia says – back on topic. So further to my original comment:

Originally Posted by ColYoung

4)ASGARD AND WRAITH!!!! lol this one is either not going to happen or is so far into the future i might as well not have posted.

I think you may well get this in the same Atlantis Expansion (probably at least 18 months down the line). As much as I would like to see the original Asgard added to the game it is much more likely for Lost Tribe Asgard to be added:

1) It would avoid discussions like the one above on how the Asgard were brought back.

2) We never really saw much in the way of personal weapons from the SG-1 Asgard but the Lost Tribe have the suits, the stunners and the shields and likely have access to cloaking technology and other directed energy weapons. All perfect for a TPS.

3) They fit better as part of an Atlantis Expansion than any other Expansion idea I can think of (and I'm hoping for a few Expansions over the years adding a lot of the Classes in the Suggestions Thread).

Originally Posted by Scott Morrison

I’ve got to say you have a strange definition of proof. You have provided less evidence than I have. The degenerative disease killing Loki would preclude his just running off – he would be dead by now (not running around free) and with no hope of resurrection if he chose not to go into the Core. Besides, we know for certain some Asgard survived: the Lost Tribe that branched off tens of thousands of years ago in Pegasus and experimented on Humans to make an unethical cure.

As for the Replicators, it took one year of unchallenged replication to go from a single surviving ship to a force capable of overrunning the Milky Way Galaxy. A further five years have passed and... nothing. And the Dakara Superweapon is gone.

As you say either interpretation could be correct. I agree to let the topic lie.


I do not play Stargate - Empire at War, is it any good? It looks good from what little I've seen but I'm always wary of mods.


As Zaineia says – back on topic. So further to my original comment:



I think you may well get this in the same Atlantis Expansion (probably at least 18 months down the line). As much as I would like to see the original Asgard added to the game it is much more likely for Lost Tribe Asgard to be added:

1) It would avoid discussions like the one above on how the Asgard were brought back.

2) We never really saw much in the way of personal weapons from the SG-1 Asgard but the Lost Tribe have the suits, the stunners and the shields and likely have access to cloaking technology and other directed energy weapons. All perfect for a TPS.

3) They fit better as part of an Atlantis Expansion than any other Expansion idea I can think of (and I'm hoping for a few Expansions over the years adding a lot of the Classes in the Suggestions Thread).

Forgive the late reply, in answer to your previous statement Loki could grow his own clones, and he was very resourceful I am sure he would have found some way to survive, after all he found a way to steal a ship and conduct his experiments for many years against the Asgard High Councils wishes.

Also the EAW Mod is fantastic, its well worth the money to buy that Starwars Game, I am eagerly awaiting there next release (the Pegasus expansion) its a good buy for what it is, and is now one of my favourites when I want to blow up a few wraith hives or destroy a few Ori Motherships.

Well with the replicators is it not a possibility of a team co-op map mode where SGC and SL team together to annihilate replicators.

i.e they have to get from one side of the map to the other using tactics to get there. and being as the game ist 100% cannon i.e u cant kill with 1 staff blast the staff / SL weapons could actually work against the replicators.

have it as story spin off some mad scientist re-made them or found 1 and reactivated it.

this could work on a number of levels latter down the line of the game the game is still in an infant stage in terms of complexity and age.

could be implamented with a points / credit system were players can unlock diffrent armors / weapons at certain levels but then have to pay for with an ingame currancty earned through in game play ie shooting the other team scoring points etc etc and also the mentioned above system.

there is a whole world of possibilitys that lay ahead of this game and this is just a suggestion for a possible future line of development.

Originally Posted by Scott Morrison

..... It would have been nice if the show explicitly stated that the war with the Replicators had made the Asgard reject artificial bodies (they could have made Human Form Replicator bodies shaped like Asgard for themselves for example) to explain why none chose that option. ....

true the asgard shoud have become asgard form replicators ala SGA ! the irony is epic!

lolz @ repli-wier in SGA

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

Forgive the late reply, in answer to your previous statement Loki could grow his own clones, and he was very resourceful I am sure he would have found some way to survive, after all he found a way to steal a ship and conduct his experiments for many years against the Asgard High Councils wishes.

Dude, the entire species suffered a degenerative disease in their clone bodies from their final attempt at a cure. The entire species suicided because they were all suffering from an incurable degenerative disease. Had Loki not gone into the Core he would be dead from the disease degenerating each successive generation of Clones.

Loki was capable of making new Clone bodies but he would not be running about fancy free in one as all the Clone bodies suffered from this disease and every successive Clone he made would suffer further degeneration and mean greater suffering for him until he died a final, irreversible death. Which would be unlikely to take years to happen either, the Asgard spent those years preparing for their mass suicide - if they had more years left it is unlikely that they would already have had the planet rigged to blow and their entire trans-Galactic Empire in residence waiting to die. The Ori rushed them at the end but it was clear they rushed them by hours or days not by years.

If he had your mystical way to survive the entire species would have survived.

I say again; the consciousness of Loki is alive in the Core, running away in a physical body would have meant final death - degenerative and painful rather than the relatively clean suicide they went with - with no hope of recovery from the Core in the future. Why would an individual several thousand years old who hops bodies every couple of decades choose a swift and painful death of the flesh from a degenerative disease over survival in the Core? It would have been certain, horrible death - not survival to experiment another day.

Originally Posted by Kurt_Russell

true the asgard shoud have become asgard form replicators ala SGA ! the irony is epic!

lolz @ repli-wier in SGA

I know, right!

Sorry but it doesn't make sense you are using plot holes an infactual story lines to support your theories. Not all the Asgard would suffer from the disease at the same rate, not all the Asgard would die at the same time, not all Asgard would be the same age .... to say otherwise is just not right. To say all Asgard think the same way or agree and have all the same opinions is also incorrect, as documented. There are Asgard which still exist aka the lost tribe, and the reason I use Loki as my evidence is that he is a perfect example, (only example in the Milky Way that we are aware of). He was able to avoid the Asgard High Council of the fourth most powerful race (Ancients, Ori & Replicators being the first three). He would just use human bodies, after all the reason he was "arrested" was that he was conducting unethical experiments on humans, and the Asgard High Council obviously had already considered doing the same as they had put a protection marker in O'Neils blood to prevent cloning, which suggested they are not above the same actions as Loki. Due to his nature and the nature of Asgard in general I would conclude that Loki would carry on his work by any means necessary, whether that be transferring his personality into a human body in order to succeed, and that the "benevolent" Asgard would not force capital punishment on one of there own. To say that those facts I have stated are wrong would go against the characters nature, story lines and plots have rules and writers have to follow those rules even if they don't agree with the end actions.

I feel like Tuvok from Star Trek Voyager when the chief engineer discovers his unfinished Training Programme in the holodeck lol

I think a better way of putting my argument would be this, if you were Loki what would you do?

If the Human race propagated via clones, and we were suffering from the affects, would you not want to save our species, save your friends & family by almost any means necessary? Your culture, your government everything you feel is human?

If I was Loki I would not trust that another species and trust that a government we felt were so young and so inexperienced and so reckless to carry on my research. I would have transferred into a human body and begun once again to solve my race's degenerative disease, as long as I didn't hurt anyone and even when I succeeded and could not return to my people, I could at least be content that I alone solved the disease and saved my race.

What would you do? If you consider Loki's personality and the resourcefulness he demonstrated I think you know the answer on what he would do.

ummm.....


back to SGR, I reckon stuff like a replicator swarm could be a triggered event in game, via a kill streak for example.

As replicators are small and work in large numbers, It would make sense to use them like the Dogs in Call of Duty. That way they can be used by either side.

I would say after a 5 kill streak, then you could press E and then a swarm of Replicator drones would come from the walls/ducts and attack the opposing side. This would be a random spawn point in the map, near the enemy.

They could be friend or foe, so attacking both sides. So you could call your team to falback/regroup before hitting E. They could attack for 30secs then dissapear (if not already destroyed) back through the walls.

Also you could up the 5 kills to 10 if 5 is too easy.

This would not need any other changes to the game as it is.
The addition of the killstreak feature plus a trigger (eg E) also the actual model for the replicator swarm and the AI for the bots.

It would be cool if i was running along a corridor on Earth map as SGC and then a swarm of Replicator bots came out the walls!

You could earn points for shooting the swarm down when they attack you, or earn kills if you called them out.


I love teh speculations!