Kill Steal?

ok, so i was wondering what you guys think is a kill steal. Because I play ashrak, and i think if i do more than 100 damage when i backstab, then its not a kill steal cause of how much damage i did, people just get angry that i can do that much. what do you guys think?

I think that it's fine if someone helps fighting the target from the start of the fight, but what's really annoying is when you've been killing a target for like the last 5 seconds and some ashrak is in the corner watching, then just moves in for the killing blow, or a jaffa that does just about nothing to help you but shoots him right before he's about to die.

Kill assist points are being added to the game.

i wouldn't worry about it. you are all on the same team right? lol

plus its not like you can tell how much damage they have taken, when you shoot you dont know if your going to have to shoot again or if they are going to drop dead. its only a steal if you are conciously thinking 'steal the kill' and since you dont even know how much damage they have taken...... well you cant be held responsible for what happens.

so...... long story short, dont worry about it. its only a game.

Originally Posted by ColYoung

i wouldn't worry about it. you are all on the same team right? lol

plus its not like you can tell how much damage they have taken, when you shoot you dont know if your going to have to shoot again or if they are going to drop dead. its only a steal if you are conciously thinking 'steal the kill' and since you dont even know how much damage they have taken...... well you cant be held responsible for what happens.

so...... long story short, dont worry about it. its only a game.

I agree, we have no way of telling damage yet. I have often come by a team mate fighting someone. I jump in and attack, sometimes I get the kill credit, I don't intend to I'm just trying to help my team win.

Fully agree, i tend to wander around and shoot at anything SL i see moving, mainly with the nade launcher, if said target is injured then sometimes i get the kill (yay me!!) if not i've injured so my team can take em down easier. i'm all for assist poins but also, teamwork is what wins in this game

i was thinking more of ashraks taking kill steals, because people seem much more annoyed with that than any other type. Also, you guys are a lot nicer than people are in game. People get ####ed if you kill steal oh well

Originally Posted by FireWraith

i was thinking more of ashraks taking kill steals, because people seem much more annoyed with that than any other type. Also, you guys are a lot nicer than people are in game. People get ####ed if you kill steal oh well

thats online gaming for you. lol the worst is CoD MW2 though, i swear every other person playing is a jacka** with a headset. lol

sorry back on toppic.......

well even ashrak kills, the same thing applies. you may be gaurenteed the kill with a backstab. but you dont know whether your guy or the guy your killing is going to win the fight, and on top of that, you don't know how long they have been fighting, you could do more damage then they did.

basically, i think the same thing applies. its a team GAME, i think thats the key word there. i think its more fun just to play and have a good time then worry about my kd ratio/other stats. still i wouldn't worry about it, if people get ####ed of thats thier problem. have fun!

i personally like it when i get help, even if i can take the person, working as a team is key in a game like this, i don't care if i don't get the kill point, because i don't really worry about my k/d ration, which causes me to help anyone i see that may or may not need it, but thats just my opinion.

My only issue with kill steals (on purpose or not) is that I can bust my *** off with my team for 10 minutes and sometimes not get a single "kill". Then if I try to say anything about tactics I get harassed for my k/d ratio and promptly ignored.

As far as the on purpose steals I've seen a lot of goauld behind me healing and then they sprint real quick and hit their knockback to kill the guy I just worked on. I'm thinking wtf? one more blast or melee and I had the guy...

When playing as an ashrak there are a couple of guidelines i will go by to try to avoid stealing someones kills. Firstly if a goa'uld is attacking i will sit next to the target ready to move in as soon as something goes bad. If the beam breaks at all, other than jumping, or the goa'uld starts to move away i will immediately take the kill so prevent them getting away/ killing the goa'uld. Also if the beam has been connected for only about a second or so i consider them fair game for a backstab. As for Jaffa it a case of guesswork based on how long they have been blasting for and how good the jaffa is. I do tend to just go for the kill most of the time unless they've been specifically tracking them.

As for SGC i generally run a shoot at anything that moves and worry about who gets the kill later policy.

Originally Posted by Aszrayel

Kill assist points are being added to the game.

thank god fianly im sick of shootin jaffa or ashrak or nadin a gould and then sci come n gases em and takes em out while im switchin clips. partial exp works for me. n wether ur faction wins or looses u should get exp the same just cuz my team suck n i have a huge killin streak i should get punished for em. just cuz they like dieing. also if ur team win u shoudl get separate points to be used for i dunno buyin outfit stuff for ur charecter a lil customizing would b great in this game.

itd be nice if we could add some weapons just small arms stuff nothin that changes the balance of power or nothin. but tazats would be a nice touch and m16s stuff like that lil things and RPGs as an alternate choise for the nader. its the lil things that matter.

I find kill steals most annoying as goauld. Killing the tauri i already have in a deathgrip makes me rage!

Whether its an ashrak passing by backstabbing or another shova run up and discard my target, especially when it doesnt kill em and they escape arrgh

Think thats why i play soldier now.

i'm not too concerned with it. when i'm battling some tau'ri petach and someone else fires the death blow, i consider it teamwork. however when i see a goa'uld bringin a tau'ri to his knees with the hand device, i'll stay close but hold my fire until he breaks free and it looks like he's escaping, and then i'll lend a hand. or sometimes i'll flank him and make him turn back toward his pursuer, and if he survives that, then i'll start firing.
i don't think i've seen more than a few examples of blatant kill stealing. when i see someone say "you're not gettin any more heals fro me" i'm just thinking, what the fork dude, don't be a baby.
what i do have a problem with though is the enemy stealing kills. when i'm having a completely fair fight with someone, and they turn and shoot themselves in the foot, i often mutter "coward" over chat. i've never ever committed suicide. to me, that's worse than poison spamming.

Agreed, self suicide is a far bigger problem. I myself have quite a few nade suicides, but none of them were intentional.

I know a few goauld who kill steal everytime. Noone on the forums though.

Actually i think the guy is in a french clan...

Originally Posted by Weapon X

I know a few goauld who kill steal everytime. Noone on the forums though.

Actually i think the guy is in a french clan...

I KS quite a bit.....unintentionally ofc.

My reason is that sometimes as an ashrak a backstab wont backstab and ill chase a sci or soldier around getting them way low on health but none of my teammates around will help me and I end up dieing

Kill steal only exists if ppl do not play as a team but play for their own stats. They have to include a DM Mode to give all those Stat-player a chance to increase their personal ego, or whyever they are after stats, not after teamplay.

Hehe, I like reading things, I can see the opinion of others and their point of view.

I have been victim of kill steal, and I also did some steal kill, not intentionally but still one from the descriptions of others.

As a Jaffa I deal around 20 to 112 damage per hit, I know when I'm about to send that little bugger far from ascension, 2-3 hits and its done, I'm about to finish and then "STAB!". I understand this: I had to make it quicker! Same goes when I see a Goa'uld frying a Tau'ri, it takes time, so I help him by lowering the health of the Tau'ri or just finish it since it takes forever, this is WAR! A good Tau'ri is a dead Tau'ri, the soon it goes, the faster another will follow.

I am a team player as long as the commander officier makes sense or a courageous Goa'uld ready to follow my steps into the lair of the enemy, like I say, "I am a canon fodder, an aggressive one but still a canon fodder, I live to serve!"

I am glad to hear the assist points have been made, but not sure how it worked or never actually seen it, plus in Piramess we should have points to bring back the Core, sadly other than giving the team a good advance, on a personal level it doesn't give anything considering all the danger I have to face while retrieving it.

So far the shooter/game is one of the best I played in years, don't give up!

P.S.: VICKERS, your writting is horrible, go back to school or slow down on the alcohol

Originally Posted by TheMadDoctor

Hehe, I like reading things, I can see the opinion of others and their point of view.

I have been victim of kill steal, and I also did some steal kill, not intentionally but still one from the descriptions of others.

As a Jaffa I deal around 20 to 112 damage per hit, I know when I'm about to send that little bugger far from ascension, 2-3 hits and its done, I'm about to finish and then "STAB!". I understand this: I had to make it quicker! Same goes when I see a Goa'uld frying a Tau'ri, it takes time, so I help him by lowering the health of the Tau'ri or just finish it since it takes forever, this is WAR! A good Tau'ri is a dead Tau'ri, the soon it goes, the faster another will follow.

I am a team player as long as the commander officier makes sense or a courageous Goa'uld ready to follow my steps into the lair of the enemy, like I say, "I am a canon fodder, an aggressive one but still a canon fodder, I live to serve!"

I am glad to hear the assist points have been made, but not sure how it worked or never actually seen it, plus in Piramess we should have points to bring back the Core, sadly other than giving the team a good advance, on a personal level it doesn't give anything considering all the danger I have to face while retrieving it.

So far the shooter/game is one of the best I played in years, don't give up!

P.S.: VICKERS, your writting is horrible, go back to school or slow down on the alcohol

Indeed.

I tend to want to help the team eliminate all threats and not worry about kill steal.

If I see a team mate 1v1 I will not impose, unless I see them in trouble of course.

I also worry that if the Tau'ri is not eliminated fast enough it will draw other SGC scum to the area and become a slaughter house of SL.

Did Teal'c ever look at Jack and say "Dude! You just took my kill?" Nope.

Do you think Ra would have cared if his armies killed all the Tau'ri before he had to enter battle? Nope. He would be happy. Mainly becuase he would not be dead.

I was referring to a few select goaulds that will sprint up and discard my target. Thats not teamwork as often it helps the tauri escape.

Also the reason it annoys me to no end is that if it keeps happening in a row ill end up with nothing but deaths for my effort and im wasting my time.

I agree, sadly you can't deal what a scientist can generate of firepower but you got one thing no one else has, Respect from your minions! (at least I do)

I personally hate suicides, despite that I have unintentional times. What I hate more, however, is when you launch a nade, but hit a nearby wall or something, killing yourself, and people accuse you of being a coward. For example, Amarna: I was soldier in the little sniper hole up on my side. A goa'uld got the jump on me, frying me, I try to launch a nade at him to knock him back, but I miss and hit the wall behind him, killing me. The guy spends the next 10 minutes spamming: Tasarau's a suicidal coward! one word: phail.

o im guilty of suicides when i play as SGC. they are all unintentional, when a goauld starts zappin my brain, i just start blastin as many shots as i can with the nade launcher. people get ####ed off but its totally unintentional. so sorry guys its hard to aim when your brain is bein fried.

however when people run into the event horizon in SGC/Anarna or run into the pits in whitout...... that ####es me off. lol

Originally Posted by Bonnonon

Did Teal'c ever look at Jack and say "Dude! You just took my kill?" Nope.

this got me wondering, and there are 3 examples i can think of.

in tallion, when teal'c was hunting arkot, sg1 discussed how pi$ teal'c would be if they stole his kill.

in orpheus, ryac stopped someone, can't remeber who, from shooting the warden of the naquada refinery so that teal'c could kill him with his bare hands.

in the episode where ronin is made a runner again and sent back to sateda, he tells the team they'd die if they stole his kill. but then i think becket did, but ronin ended up being cool with it.